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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.25 16:26:00 -
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Vitoxin is a punishment for poor behavior, Mr. Nauplius. What sin have those slaves committed that they deserve to be "stuffed full" of it? They did not choose to be in those cans. They are victims. They have already had to endure near-death at the hands of capricious and uncaring capsuleers, they do not need additional suffering in the form of being subjected to a lifelong chemical dependency. And are you aware that vitoc-addicted slaves sell for less on the market, as vitoc supplements are a regular drain on a Holder's budget and demonstrates to prospective buyers that the slave is poorly behaved?
They should be rescued from those cans and returned to the Empire, but they should not be punished with vitoxin when they have committed no crime. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
441
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Posted - 2014.02.01 15:10:00 -
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He did say in the Summit earlier that he was hired by someone. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
443
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Posted - 2014.02.05 00:34:00 -
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Recovered slavers should be returned to the Empire, as should any slave that is legally registered with Imperial authorities. Rescuing people from those cans is a very good humanitarian service, but detaining slavers and releasing slaves that the Empire is authorized (by CONCORD) to keep is wrong.
Of course, slaves that were taken illegally should be released, and I would hesitate to say that those who were purchased off the SCC and "owned" by capsuleers should likewise be released, as the majority of capsuleers lack the proper authority and moral responsibility necessary to care for them. As clearly seen by their spacing them in cans to get around Customs. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
444
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Posted - 2014.02.05 03:55:00 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Recovered slavers should be returned to the Empire, as should any slave that is legally registered with Imperial authorities. Rescuing people from those cans is a very good humanitarian service, but detaining slavers and releasing slaves that the Empire is authorized (by CONCORD) to keep is wrong.
Of course, slaves that were taken illegally should be released, and I would hesitate to say that those who were purchased off the SCC and "owned" by capsuleers should likewise be released, as the majority of capsuleers lack the proper authority and moral responsibility necessary to care for them. As clearly seen by their spacing them in cans to get around Customs. It's worth noting that Amarrian law is only applicable in their own territory, Lieutenant Kehrner. It's an area CONCORD doesn't challenge, but doesn't stop the other Empires dealing with as they see fit, hence the transport of slaves being illegal elsewhere. Here, slavers generally wind up either on hard labor, or executed as pirates, provided they survive the military response that comes their way. Slaves are a more varied issue that winds up being dealt with in any number of ways, typically by handing them over to humanitarian organizations such as SoE. It would be pointless to comment on the Federation or Republic, as the stances of both powers on slavery are well known and often heard. The entire point being that, outside of the Empire, Holders have only as much authority as their foreign hosts give them.
The Disciples are conducting their operations in Amarrian territory.
And I would also expect there to be extradition laws in place between our nations, regarding Imperial citizens detained outside the Empire. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
445
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Posted - 2014.02.06 10:15:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:A word about Slavers:
We have struggled since the beginning on the issue of how to best handle the slavers we rescue from deathcans together with slaves they are smuggling. We have sought clarity about the penalties exacted on slavers who are caught in this act of smuggling. Opinion varies but there seems to be a strong suggestion that execution and generational slavery are on the table. A firm principle that we always abide by is that we will never hand anyone over for execution or to generational slavery. Slavers know that it is a strong deterrent to other would be smugglers to see another's whole family punished in reprisal for their crimes. Many of the Slavers we rescue are very fearful of being handed over to those who would mete out such penalties. We have attempted to contact both Concord authorities and the SOE regarding slavers. We have not received a response, so in the mean time we provide humane conditions and protection from execution and generational slavery.
And how many of those slavers were actually involved in smuggling? If they were smuggling, they wouldn't have been tossed into a can (alongside the smuggled good) at national borders.
While some slavers do engage in illegal slave raids and smuggling operations, the majority are not. Slaving is a legal profession in the Empire, tied primarily into the judicial field. With the CONCORD policies regarding the cessation of foreign slave taking, the majority of slavers are essentially wardens (as they might be called in other societies), involved in detaining and training convicted criminals who have been sentenced to slavery, as well as the marketing and sale of these slaves to Holder Houses. They are also regularly hired for training seminars and counseling by Holder families that are having issues with slave discipline or sale.
It is likely that those slavers, along with the slaves they were overseeing, were hired or otherwise acquired by capsuleers without any knowledge on the capsuleer's activities. Once the capsuleer got to Amarr borders and realized they couldn't cross with the slavers and slaves, the capsuleer stuffed both slaver and slaves into the cans and jettisoned them. The slavers are as much victims as the slaves, and deserve to be returned to the Empire and their families.
Now, some might actually be engaged in illegal activities, though once again as Imperial citizens they should be returned to the Empire for trial. Execution is not a likely result (it is actually a fairly rare sentence in the Empire), and generational slavery would probably only be on the table for severe breaches, where the criminal is believed a threat to his current and future family. Single-generation slavery is the most likely sentence in cases where the crime is minor enough to be worked off in a single lifetime and the criminal is not likely to pass his poor behavior down his bloodline. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
450
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Posted - 2014.02.21 16:48:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:So you captured and re-enslaved those who'd been properly freed. You personally overlooked this fact and instead made your own judgement supersede that of their previous master.
Amarr Civil Services do not accept freed slaves so what do you plan to do with these individuals?
-Eran Negative. The Freed Slaves were left behind in the jetcan.
If those slaves were legally emancipated by their Holders and you left them to die in that can, then you are complicit in the murder of Amarr citizens and deserve to burn in the same hell that you advocate for others. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
450
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Posted - 2014.02.21 17:34:00 -
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Dogs are not persons, yet you apparently feel they are to be given higher priority when space is limited.
And your assumptions are irrelevant. If they were released illegally by the Republic, then they should be returned to their Holders, and are of no lesser or greater worth than any of the other slaves in that can. If they were legally emancipated by 'liberal' owners, that is something of which you have absolutely no right to comment on. A Holder has the moral and religious authority, in the eyes of God and Empire, to determine if that slave's line has been cleansed. You do not. If a Holder has legally emancipated a slave, then that slave is a free citizen of Amarr, recognized and noted in the Book of Records. Only those Holders of senior authority, or the Heirs, Theology Council, or Her Imperial Majesty have the right to challenge that decision. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
484
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:20:00 -
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116.03.05 12:20 - 25 slaves rescued.
They've been given food and medical aid. I have transferred them to the Ardishapur Family, where they can be sorted and sent to responsible Holders and kept from the grasp of capricious capsuleers and commoners. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
490
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Posted - 2014.03.10 15:43:00 -
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That is why I turned them over to Ardishapur Family and not the Amarr Civil Service. The Amarr Civil Service has been accused recently of corruption and incompetence, and as both the ACS and Civic Court are central government organizations it is likely that one will feed into the other.
House Ardishapur, on the other hand, is the bastion of faith and tradition. It is against that faith and tradition to sell slaves to commoners. His Majesty The Heir Ardishapur and the Right Honorable Holders of Ardishapur holdings can be trusted to act as proper and ensure that slaves delivered into their care remain under the sole ownership of responsible Holders until the time that their lines are emancipated.
It is a shame that such a thing as the sale of slaves on public capsuleer markets like the SCC happens at all, and that it has allowed such tragedies as that performed by Nauplius. I pray that the Ministry of Internal Order and the Theology Council tighten policies to prevent such mishandling. The Civic Court should be ashamed of itself. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
496
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Posted - 2014.03.11 01:01:00 -
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116.03.11 00:43 - 1 Slave
Rescued from the wreck of Nauplius' tormentor in Ezzara. I'll be transferring them to Ardishapur Family in the morning, where they will be under no threat of Blooding. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
499
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Posted - 2014.03.11 15:23:00 -
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The slave market is not SCC controlled. The Amarrian market principally happens between baseliners with no interaction with the SCC. The SCC is only the medium through which capsuleer purchases and sales are made. And as seen with a simple check of Ardishapur Family's economic profile and market activity records, they do not perform sales of slaves on the SCC--they only purchase them. The only way those slaves could get back on the SCC would be if Holders of House Ardishapur then transferred them to the Civic Court through baseliner markets--which they have no moral nor legal reason to do (and many reasons not to). Also, going through a direct representative would function no differently--the slaves would still end up in the hands of Holders of the Ardishapur Family, who could theoretically then transfer them to the Civic Court, who could then put them up on the SCC. But as the Holders of the Ardishapur Family are righteous and hold to proper tradition, there is little threat of them delivering or selling slaves to the Civic Court when it is known that the Court immorally sells to commoners.
It is illegal for commoners to possess slaves without a License to Enslave or Custodial Servitude Contract. It is illegal for non-Holders to emancipate slaves whom are the property of the Empire, unless that slave was wrongly taken to begin with. I cannot legally or morally keep possession of these slaves (and I don't have the facilities for them, even if I could). The proper action when coming into possession of a slave is to deliver that slave to an appropriate entity--a licensed Slaver or Holder. And I would rather deliver them to the domains of His Majesty The Heir Ardishapur than to capsuleer Holders, which is my only other option. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
501
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Posted - 2014.03.11 20:51:00 -
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Tahrmal Nalthkh wrote:I'm not yet assured. Let me explain what I mean by "mechanisms." A "mechanism" is a capsuleer accessible means of changing the disposition of something in your possession, in this case rescued slaves. My challenge to Samira Kernher was not to criticize her confidence in the Family Ardishapur. She may or may not be correct in her assessment of their fidelity and integrity. That isn't my axe to grind. My point was simply that her use of the word "delivered" is a euphemism for "sold." Selling is the only available "mechanism" to put slaves in your possession into their possession. Those who make claims to the contrary have yet to provide evidence. ... Likewise, if captain Kernher could convince Ohrud Omel (Grand Inquisitor, Throne Worlds Chapter, Ministry Of Internal Order) to set up a direct station trade, then the "delivering" would not be "selling," direct station trade, being the mechanism used for such transactions.
I do not deny that my transfer of slaves to Ardishapur Family entails the standard 834.75 isk price per slave, and I apologize if my posts have implied otherwise.
Slaves I pick up are sold to Ardishapur Family for the standard price, under the understanding that they will be put under the care of responsible Ardishapur Family Holders. I do not do this for personal profit, as 834.75 isk is a very small amount and at that price it would take several thousand slaves simply to pay off the cost of the ship I put together explicitly for making pickups in the Niarja area.
I see nothing wrong with this arrangement. Ardishapur Family has a demand for slaves and puts up regular buy orders to meet that demand, and as demonstrated by their market activity they can be trusted to not sell those slaves to unqualified commoners through the SCC. The buying and selling of slaves is a part of Amarr society; the main issue in this matter is in the sale of slaves to those who have neither the legal nor moral authority to care for them--people like Nauplius.
If I should contact the Honorable Grand Inquisitor Omel, it would be in regards to the immoral sales made by the Civic Court. I would not presume to overstep my place and take up the Grand Inquisitor's time with direct transfers when other arrangements are already available. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
504
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Posted - 2014.03.13 00:59:00 -
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Who is your new accomplice? |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1047
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Posted - 2014.12.29 17:15:42 -
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Eojek wrote:How do we know you're not just selling them to the Sanshas or grinding them up into biomass?
Mrs. Aspenstar has personally examined their facilities, and Mr. Momaki has returned several thousand recovered kameiras to the Empire through PIE.
And Mrs. Aspenstar, even if Mr. Momaki and his organization may be missing, I at least still make it a priority to check for cans everytime I pass through the systems. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1047
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Posted - 2014.12.29 17:58:45 -
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I had joined the channel, but I didn't know if anyone used it anymore so I left.
I could, but it should be noted that I only pass through the area semi-regularly, so any updates would still be weeks apart. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1407
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Posted - 2015.03.24 13:18:15 -
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He is not Amarrian. And don't bother challenging. Just hunt him down.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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